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RuffRyda
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20-06-2009, 15:06 Titel: 1.9 TDI doesn't start (White smoke) Need help
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Hello
I have the following problem: My car no longer starts!
Initially, my car only started poorly when it was cold, and white smoke always came out, but only when starting. Later, it also started poorly when it was warmer.
Now it won't start at all. Only white smoke comes out of the exhaust.
It must have something to do with the fuel injection.
I have already checked several things:
-Valve timing is correct
-Fuel injector removed, it is spraying
-Read error codes, nothing found
-Spark plugs replaced
It is an Audi 80 1.9 TDI 1Z
Do you know what it could be?
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20-06-2009, 15:23 Titel: 1.9 TDI doesn't start (White smoke) Need help
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Did you read out the engine speed during the start attempt?
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20-06-2009, 15:26 Titel: 1.9 TDI doesn't start (White smoke) Need help
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no, I didn't, I only turned on the ignition and read out the errors |
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20-06-2009, 17:59 Titel: 1.9 TDI doesn't start (White smoke) Need help
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Haehnleins Superthread will surely bring you a solution approach.
/viewtopic.php?t=1610&highlight=qualm
It contains pretty much all possible sources of errors that can occur.
However, based on your error description, I suspect a loose KW screw. Try searching for "KW screw" using the search function. This should provide plenty of reading material.
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How is it checked?
Static testing won't work, and dynamic testing should be impossible if it's not running! :roll:
What are the compression values?
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21-06-2009, 20:57 Titel: 1.9 TDI doesn't start (White smoke) Need help
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A mechanic did this, he checked the timing. He also changes the timing belt every day, etc.
I will check the compression tomorrow and let you know, and also check if the crankshaft wheel is loose.
Thanks in advance for the help
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22-06-2009, 21:03 Titel: 1.9 TDI doesn't start (White smoke) Need help
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I checked the timing again today, so it's definitely not correct.
They are slightly off. I can't test the compression until tomorrow, and I'll also check the crankshaft.
My boss keeps saying it's the pump.
But if you remove the injectors and leave the lines connected and start it, then the injector will spray (which it does), then the pump must be building up enough pressure. Can it really be the pump then?
I just sent the injectors away; they will be rebuilt.
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24-06-2009, 15:35 Titel: 1.9 TDI doesn't start (White smoke) Need help
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So, I can only check the compression next week because I have already sent the parts to the customer. And they need them. The screw on the crankshaft should not be loose, as the valve timing is almost exactly correct and the timing belt is still very tight, or then it should not be loose??
If the compression is correct, then it should only be a problem with the injection system, I think.
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30-06-2009, 9:33 Titel: 1.9 TDI doesn't start (White smoke) Need help
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If you are sure that the screw is tight, then try rolling the car. If it then starts, the starter is turning too slowly or there is a lack of compression.
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30-06-2009, 17:32 Titel: 1.9 TDI doesn't start (White smoke) Need help
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Okay, I'll try that tomorrow.
Today I installed new fuel injector nozzles and tried to start it, but it doesn't start, just smokes white from the exhaust.
I rechecked the timing myself, but isn't it true that the fuel pumps are very sensitive on this engine?
The pin doesn't go in, but it's very tight, and the pin on the valve cover only goes in halfway.
I know that the timing needs to be set, but shouldn't it still start if it's possible, even if it runs poorly?
Can the crankshaft bolt be loose even if the timing belt is still tight?
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30-06-2009, 20:35 Titel: 1.9 TDI doesn't start (White smoke) Need help
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RuffRyda hat folgendes geschrieben: | ...
Can the crankshaft bolt be loose even if the timing belt is still fully tensioned?? |
For the 100,000th time in this forum:
YES!
The search function almost overwhelms you with these posts.
/viewtopic.php?t=20154&highlight=kw+schraube
/viewtopic.php?t=16548 -> Quote from it: "The TDI is now smoking heavily at cold start. Color white..."
Here is another one who didn't believe in the KW screw... : /viewtopic.php?t=14138&highlight=kw+schraube
Another one with white smoke from the exhaust: /viewtopic.php?t=11643&highlight=kw+schraube (and again KW screw)
... and many more!
The notch on the KW wheel is bent and the lower disc is no longer round. The few 1/10mm have only a slight influence on the timing belt tension.
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30-06-2009, 20:50 Titel: 1.9 TDI doesn't start (White smoke) Need help
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30-06-2009, 22:55 Titel: 1.9 TDI doesn't start (White smoke) Need help
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yes, I will definitely take a look at that, since I also have to set the tax times
then I will do it too
despite the thousand thanks for the message :wink:
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