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Post27-07-2015, 15:48    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

Hello!

Can someone please tell me how to perform a basic adjustment on the transmission? I will proceed to point "04 Initial Setup", and then?

Thank you for the information!

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Post27-07-2015, 16:39    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

VAG part number for the automatic transmission control unit?
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Post27-07-2015, 16:48    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

Ugh, I didn't write that down. I need to look at it again. But I can't do that until a few days from now. "It's important to know that it actually works."
Furthermore, I was surprised that in the MWB, I was shown a speed of 90 U/min, even though the motor was not running at all!?

But another question: is it true that the 2.3E (NG) engine can only be "turned off", and not read out with VCDS? D.h. ich kann den 2x2 Adapter nur für das Automatikgetriebe und das ABS verwenden?

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Post27-07-2015, 16:51    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

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2.3E (NG) Engine only turn off

Depending on the engine, yes (I'm not sure about the NB model), therefore:
http://www.audi100-online.de/Technik/Einspritzung/einspritzung.html

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Post27-07-2015, 17:01    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

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2.3E (NG) Engine only turn off
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Depending on the engine, yes (I'm not sure about the NB model), therefore:


What do you mean by that? "Depending on the engine, yes..."

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Post28-07-2015, 21:16    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

Hello!

Hereby the data:
No.: 097 927 731 BM
Component: DIGIMAT 0653
Coding: VW Diagnosis

There isn't anything else inside. What does "VW diagnosis" actually mean in the context of coding?
And? Does that basic setting work? If so, how?

Regarding the MWB, I noticed something strange. Although the engine was cold and it was 23 degrees outside, Block 5 showed a temperature of 14 degrees!? And it was showing a speed of 90 RPM, even though the engine wasn't running at all! Is there a bug in the SW or is the sensor malfunctioning? The rest was plausible.

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Post29-07-2015, 12:22    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

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No.: 097 927 731 BM
Component: DIGIMAT 0653
Coding: Diagnosis of VW

Weird situation, please copy the car scan as well.
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Post29-07-2015, 16:00    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

According to the documentation for the 097 gearbox, it is not possible to "code" it! What does "Diagnose VW" mean in the context of coding? Does anyone know?

I can only do the scan tomorrow.

But what about the temperature? 14°C can't be right, when the outside air temperature is 23°C!
And the RPM? It shows 90, even though it's turned off.

I have a general question regarding temperatures and resistance values in sensors and actuators. How is this measured? Does it make a difference if the component is installed or measured in the open air? For example, a G62 is located in the coolant. If the car has been parked for days, shouldn't the coolant temperature actually be ambient temperature? When I measured my G62 (NG), it had a value of almost 4k at an outside temperature of 28°C. However, I measured from pin 1 to pin 2, as Audi specifies. This is miles away from the actual temperature value. That's a mere 12°!
Some people say that you should measure a pin against ground. What is the current status?

Who can tell me how to correctly measure and interpret these probes? Especially: Does it make a difference whether these sensors are installed or removed?

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Post29-07-2015, 18:52    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

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And the RPM? It shows 90, even though it's turned off.

Then just turn it on...
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Post30-07-2015, 9:06    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

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And the RPM? It shows 90, even though it's turned off.
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Then just turn it on...


And then? Should I always subtract 90 U/min. from the displayed value, or how? icon_rolleyes.gif
How can we trust the displayed values if even the simplest thing isn't working? A reading of 0 RPM can't possibly be 90!? Had another user also observed.

Maybe I'll go for the scan tonight, but I don't think it will reveal anything new. It seems that only the transmission and ABS are functional on my car.

Does anyone have any tips for measuring with a probe from above?

Thank you.

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Post02-08-2015, 20:15    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

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...And then? Should I always subtract 90 U/min. from the displayed value, or how? ...

No. Turn it on! If it still shows nonsensical values, then that's just how it is. However, it could also be that you get plausible values. Possible,
that '90' is a status indicator that means "engine is off".
Regarding AG Steuergeräte, I have observed some rather peculiar behavior.
can (Diagnosis only when neutral, Diagnosis only up to speed xy, ...).
The 90 could simply be a software bug that occurs while the system is running.
Engine not shutting down.

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Post02-08-2015, 20:51    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

Okay, thanks, but estimating 90 is difficult. The tachometer is only a rough gauge. Especially when you need the absolutely precise speed of 820 rpm, for example, when setting the flow divider. That's something you can never be sure about.

Anyway, fundamentally, I'm primarily interested in the basic settings of the gearbox. If the Audi can be read with VAG 1551, then it should also work with VCDS!
Here's the auto-scan. As expected, only the transmission and ABS are present. Can we now use this?

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VCDS Version: RKS 14.10.
Data Status: 20150412
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Friday, July 31, 2015, 18:21:00:39513

Vehicle Type: 8G - Audi Cabrio B4 (1992 > 2000)
Scan: 25 01 02 03 08 15 26 35

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Transmission Label file: None
Part Number: 097 927 731 BM
Component: DIGIMAT 0653
VCID: 6CDC06771C11AE41A27-0964

No error codes found.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: Brake Electronics Label file: 4A0-907-379.lbl
Part Number: 4A0 907 379 A
Component: Brake Electronics
Company Number: xxx xxxxx
VCID: 29523F63D3637B69191-4B32

No error codes found.

Ende----------------------------(Duration: 02:14)-----------------------------


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Post03-08-2015, 12:15    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

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Can we now do something with it?

Yes. In this case: Nothing that would be helpful for your problem, but you can see that there is no label file associated with this device.

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Post03-08-2015, 12:36    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

The device (GSTG) could even - in parallel with the diagnosis according to ISO 9141 -
still have Blink code. The original testers (1551 and 1552) were able to do both.
(and also an optional insert card, even CAN).
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Post03-08-2015, 15:51    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

dieselschrauber wrote:
Can we now use this?
Quote:

Yes. In this case: Nothing that would be helpful for your problem, but you can see that there is no label file associated with this device.

Best regards, Rainer


And what does that mean now? That you don't know how or if it works, or that it definitely won't work with VCDS?
No Label file? What does that mean exactly? Error in the STG, or something else? Or, without a label file, no default settings? Why doesn't there exist a corresponding label file?

I always thought VCDS could handle such simple things! At least all those things that even a 1551-year-old person from the Stone Age could do!?

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Post03-08-2015, 17:05    Subject: Audi 4-Gang Automatic Transmission (097, CEB) Initial Setup Quote

s.o. Old VAG testers are the only ones who can use blink codes.
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