DSG P17BF Error: Skoda Octavia Hydraulic Protection Fix

Hello everyone!

My friend's Octavia is experiencing issues, but for now, it's only indicated by a flashing wrench symbol alternating with the gear display on the instrument cluster.
This is a 7-speed DSG (Direct Shift Gearbox).

Error codes read from the transmission control unit indicate "overspeed protection" three times, and also a problem with the hydraulic pump.
Unfortunately, I can't make any sense of this, so I'm asking for your help.
These errors could no longer be cleared from the engine control unit when the vehicle was cold and the engine was not running, and the "Sporadic" status disappeared.

In the control modules (ECUs) of the transmission, a voltage reading similar to that of the battery was detected at the hydraulic pump.

Interestingly, no driving behavior issues were noted, except for a very rare, somewhat unusual jolt when starting.
The error symbol in the dashboard appears sporadically, and it also disappears again for a few days or weeks.

I immediately suspected that there were errors or shortcuts taken during the scheduled transmission oil change at 60,000 km, but this inspection was not actually performed by an independent mechanic, and according to the service booklet, only the oil was changed and nothing else was done.

For any tips, I would be very grateful!

Best regards from Munich!

Autoscan:

Code:

Sonntag,19,Juni,2016,14:59:53:34514 VCDS -- Windows-basierter VAG/VAS-Emulator läuft auf Windows 7 x86 VCDS Version: RKS 15.7.4.1 Datenstand: 20160226 http://shop.dieselschrauber.de Händler-/Werkstattname: Betriebsnummer: Fahrzeug-Ident.-Nr.: TMBFK61Z6C201XXXX   KFZ-Kennzeichen: M-XXXXXX Kilometerstand: 62760km   Reparaturauftrag: Tini -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fahrzeugtyp: 1Z (7N0) Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 25 36 37 42 44 46 52 55 56 62           72 77 Fahrzeug-Ident.-Nr.: TMBFK61Z6C201XXXX   Kilometerstand: 62760km 01-Motorelektronik -- Status: i.O. 0000 02-Getriebe -- Status: Fehler 0010 03-Bremsenelektronik -- Status: i.O. 0000 04-Lenkwinkelsensor -- Status: i.O. 0000 08-Klima-/Heizungsel. -- Status: i.O. 0000 09-Zentralelektrik -- Status: i.O. 0000 10-Einparkhilfe 2 -- Status: i.O. 0000 15-Airbag -- Status: i.O. 0000 16-Lenkradelektronik -- Status: i.O. 0000 17-Schalttafeleinsatz -- Status: i.O. 0000 19-Diagnoseinterface -- Status: i.O. 0000 25-Wegfahrsperre -- Status: i.O. 0000 36-Sitzverst. Fahr. -- Status: i.O. 0000 37-Navigation -- Status: i.O. 0000 42-Türelektr. Fahrer -- Status: i.O. 0000 44-Lenkhilfe -- Status: i.O. 0000 46-Komfortsystem -- Status: i.O. 0000 52-Türelektr. Beifahr. -- Status: i.O. 0000 55-Leuchtweitenreg. -- Status: i.O. 0000 56-Radio -- Status: i.O. 0000 62-Türelektr. hi. li. -- Status: i.O. 0000 72-Türelektr. hi. re. -- Status: i.O. 0000 77-Telefon -- Status: i.O. 0000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 01: Motorelektronik (CDA)       Labeldatei: DRV\06J-907-115-CDA.clb    Teilenummer SW: 3T0 907 115 G    HW: 1Z0 907 115 F    Bauteil: 1.8l R4/4V TFSI     0020     Revision: AAH16---    Seriennummer: 00000000000000    Codierung: 0203000C24070160    Betriebsnr.: WSC 55140 141 97987    VCID: 3565537E5CC7A4969D-8060 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. Readiness: 0000 0000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 02: Getriebe        Labeldatei: DRV\0AM-927-769.clb    Teilenummer SW: 0AM 300 051 R    HW: 0AM 927 769 D    Bauteil: GSG DSG AG7     421 2710     Revision: 00042014    Seriennummer: TFK01105200016    Codierung: 0000020    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    VCID: 397D5F4E70DF40F679-806C 3 Fehlercodes gefunden: 006079 - Hydraulikpumpe                P17BF - 000 - Spielschutz - Sporadisch              Umgebungsbedingungen:                     Fehlerstatus: 00100000                     Fehlerpriorität: 0                     Fehlerhäufigkeit: 4                     Verlernzähler: 10                     Kilometerstand: 62729 km                     Zeitangabe: 0                     Datum: 2016.06.16                     Zeit: 15:12:36 006079 - Hydraulikpumpe                P17BF - 001 - Spielschutz - Sporadisch              Umgebungsbedingungen:                     Fehlerstatus: 00100000                     Fehlerpriorität: 0                     Fehlerhäufigkeit: 4                     Verlernzähler: 10                     Kilometerstand: 62729 km                     Zeitangabe: 0                     Datum: 2016.06.16                     Zeit: 15:12:36 006079 - Hydraulikpumpe                P17BF - 002 - Spielschutz - Sporadisch              Umgebungsbedingungen:                     Fehlerstatus: 00100000                     Fehlerpriorität: 0                     Fehlerhäufigkeit: 4                     Verlernzähler: 10                     Kilometerstand: 62729 km                     Zeitangabe: 0                     Datum: 2016.06.16                     Zeit: 15:12:36 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 03: Bremsenelektronik (J104)       Labeldatei: DRV\1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb    Teilenummer SW: 1K0 907 379 BJ    HW: 1K0 907 379 BJ    Bauteil: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0121     Revision: 00H31001       Codierung: 113B401C092300FB881002E9901A0041350000    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    VCID: 7BF18546FA63B2E62B-802E Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 08: Klima-/Heizungsel. (J255)       Labeldatei: DRV\5K0-907-044.clb    Teilenummer SW: 3T0 907 044 BE    HW: 3T0 907 044 BE    Bauteil: Climatronic   H16 0402     Revision: 00001006       Codierung: 0000000002    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    ASAM Datensatz: EV_Climatronic A01010    ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SK12.rod    VCID: 76E79472C941EF8E54-8022 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 09: Zentralelektrik (J519)       Labeldatei: DRV\1K0-937-08x-09.clb    Teilenummer SW: 1K0 937 087 Q    HW: 1K0 937 087 Q    Bauteil: BCM PQ35  H   110 0651     Revision: 00110 AC       Codierung: 40000AB8E80508C040080080510091E4437000AE726D8D605C8540000040    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    VCID: 3F893156AEFB6EC647-806A    Subsystem 1 - Teilenummer: 1Z1 955 119 D  Labeldatei: DRV\1KX-955-119.CLB    Bauteil: Wischer 26051  26  0601    Codierung: 00D7B7    Subsystem 2 - Teilenummer: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labeldatei: DRV\1K0-955-559-AG.CLB    Bauteil: RLS 300511 05  54  0403    Codierung: 0730ED Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 10: Einparkhilfe 2 (J446)       Labeldatei: DRV\1Z0-919-475-V2.clb    Teilenummer SW: 1Z0 919 475 E    HW: 7N0 919 475    Bauteil: PARKHILFE 8K  H06 0005     Revision: --H06---    Seriennummer: 28291108961954    Codierung: 108101    Betriebsnr.: WSC 13765 790 00064    ASAM Datensatz: EV_EPHVA18SKxxx0000 001001    ROD: EV_EPHVA18SKxxx0000.rod    VCID: 43813DA6CA130A2623-8016 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 15: Airbag        Labeldatei: DRV\1K0-909-605.lbl    Teilenummer SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T    Bauteil: Q6 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300     Revision: 05020000    Seriennummer: 0038PC25NZ1S     Codierung: 0020790    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    VCID: 3D754B5E64F77CD655-8068    Subsystem 1 - Seriennummer: 6332MSME60456A327    Subsystem 2 - Seriennummer: 6342MSME604471543    Subsystem 3 - Seriennummer: 6351HSME271D2601%    Subsystem 4 - Seriennummer: 6361HSME2719693FK Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 16: Lenkradelektronik (J527)       Labeldatei: DRV\5K0-953-569.clb    Teilenummer SW: 5K0 953 521 AT    HW: 5K0 953 569 B    Bauteil: LENKS.MODUL   014 0140     Revision: FF010040    Seriennummer: 20110531200666    Codierung: 189A140000    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    ASAM Datensatz: EV_SMLSNGVOLWSXS A01004    ROD: EV_SMLSNGVOLWS.rod    VCID: 7EF78C52E171A7CE0C-802A    Steuergerät für Multifunktionslenkrad:    Subsystem 1 - Teilenummer SW: 3T0 959 537 A    HW: 3T0 959 537 A  Labeldatei: DRV\3C8-959-537.CLB    Bauteil: E221__MFL-URO  H07 0012    Codierung: 830000 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 17: Schalttafeleinsatz (J285)       Labeldatei: DRV\5K0-920-xxx-17.clb    Teilenummer SW: 1Z0 920 843 Q    HW: 1Z0 920 843 Q    Bauteil: KOMBI         H04 0607     Seriennummer: 00000000000000    Codierung: 110E01    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 031 00064    ASAM Datensatz: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04114    ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_SK35.rod    VCID: 468724B2F9213F0E04-8012 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 19: Diagnoseinterface (J533)       Labeldatei: DRV\7N0-907-530-V2.clb    Teilenummer SW: 7N0 907 530 H    HW: 1K0 907 951    Bauteil: J533  Gateway H42 1620     Revision:   H42       Seriennummer: 300511F1002963    Codierung: 352302    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    VCID: 3565537E9CC7A4969D-8060 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 25: Wegfahrsperre (J334)       Labeldatei: DRV\5K0-920-xxx-25.clb    Teilenummer SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234    Bauteil: IMMO          H04 0607     Seriennummer: 00000000000000    Codierung: 000000    Betriebsnr.: WSC 00000 000 00000    ASAM Datensatz: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03009    ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_SE25.rod    VCID: 6ADFB0028DF93B6EC0-803E Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 36: Sitzverst. Fahr.        Labeldatei: 3C0-959-760.lbl    Teilenummer SW: 3C0 959 760 E    HW: 3C0 959 760 E    Bauteil: Sitzverstellung     1102     Revision: 00005000    Seriennummer: 00000000000000    Betriebsnr.: WSC 00000 000 00000    VCID: 2F696116BE9B9E46D7-807A Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labeldatei: DRV\1T0-035-680.clb    Teilenummer SW: 3T0 035 680 C    HW: 3T0 035 680 C    Bauteil: RNS-MID       H06 3974     Revision: AB001001    Seriennummer: SKZ6Z7L5152028    Codierung: 04000402000100810000    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    VCID: 306B626A63A581BECE-8064 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 42: Türelektr. Fahrer        Labeldatei: DRV\1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl    Teilenummer SW: 1T0 959 701 AA    HW: 1T0 959 701 AA    Bauteil: Tuer-SG         009 2119     Codierung: 0004606    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    VCID: 76E794720141EF8E54-8022 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 44: Lenkhilfe        Labeldatei: DRV\1Kx-909-14x-44.clb    Teilenummer: 1K0 909 144 M    Bauteil: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 69     3201     Revision: 00H20000       Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    VCID: 34636E7A57BDBD9EAA-8060 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 52: Türelektr. Beifahr.        Labeldatei: DRV\1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl    Teilenummer SW: 1T0 959 702 S    HW: 1T0 959 702 S    Bauteil: Tuer-SG         009 2119     Codierung: 0004606    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    VCID: 489B2A8A3B35297EF6-801C Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 55: Leuchtweitenreg.        Labeldatei: DRV\5M0-907-357-V2.lbl    Teilenummer SW: 5M0 907 357 C    HW: 5M0 907 357 C    Bauteil: AFS-Steuergeraet    0148     Revision: 00H04000    Seriennummer:                   Codierung: 1507354    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    VCID: 34636E7A57BDBD9EAA-8060    Subsystem 1 - Teilenummer: 7L6 941 329 B  Labeldatei: 3D0-941-329.CLB    Bauteil: AFS-Lst.-Modul l    0004     Codierung: 00000023    Subsystem 2 - Teilenummer: 7L6 941 329 B  Labeldatei: 3D0-941-329.CLB    Bauteil: AFS-Lst.-Modul r    0004     Codierung: 00000023 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 56: Radio (J0506)       Labeldatei: DRV\1T0-035-680.clb    Teilenummer SW: 3T0 035 680 C    HW: 3T0 035 680 C    Bauteil: RNS-MID       H06 3974     Revision: AB001001    Seriennummer: SKZ6Z7L5152028    Codierung: 04000402000100810000    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 00064    VCID: 306B626A63A581BECE-8064 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 62: Türelektr. hi. li.        Labeldatei: DRV\1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl    Teilenummer SW: 5K0 959 703 A    HW: 5K0 959 703 A    Bauteil: Tuer-SG         007 2101     Codierung: 0000144    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 1012544    VCID: 326F6862ADA9B3AEB8-8066 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 72: Türelektr. hi. re.        Labeldatei: DRV\1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl    Teilenummer SW: 5K0 959 704 A    HW: 5K0 959 704 A    Bauteil: Tuer-SG         007 2101     Codierung: 0000144    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 790 1012544    VCID: 33616D6652B3BAA6B3-8066 Kein(e) Fehlercode(s) gefunden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 77: Telefon (J412)       Labeldatei: DRV\7P6-035-730.clb    Teilenummer SW: 7P6 035 730 F    HW: 7P6 035 730 F    Bauteil: TELEFON       H09 2730     Revision: 1B001001    Seriennummer: 00007660141205    Codierung: 0101000000010110    Betriebsnr.: WSC 73430 031 00064    ASAM Datensatz: EV_UHVNA A01015    ROD: EV_UHVNA.rod    VCID: 3565537E94C7A4969D-8060 2 Fehlercodes gefunden: 13635840 - Versorgungsspannung           U1011 00 [000] - Spannung zu niedrig           Sporadisch - unbestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung              Umgebungsbedingungen: 13893632 - Funktionseinschränkung           U1400 00 [000] - durch Unterspannung           Sporadisch - unbestätigt - geprüft seit letzter Löschung              Umgebungsbedingungen: Ende----------------------------(Dauer: 03:50)----------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adresse 02: Fehlercodes gelöscht

EDIT: Title changed to [solved].

Hi Bear,

Speculation: The hydraulic pump is temporarily not delivering the required pressure.

If that were the case, the error would primarily occur when the DSG is hot.
Oil level okay and sufficient? Have you checked if you can find a measurement block for the hydraulic pressure?

Best regards, Rainer.

Hello everyone!

Thank you for the tip!

It sounds plausible that it could be related to oil or oil pressure, but I want to logically rule that out, because the error messages changed from "sporadic" to "permanent" - without the engine running, completely cooled down!
In this state, no pressure should be requested.
Otherwise, no logs or similar records were created, because "it was just for a quick look."

I also don't understand what the term "Spielschutz" refers to.

Possibly, I'll take it in for a DSG transmission oil change, which is due anyway.
It's difficult to tell if there's enough oil in the VW concept's toilet system, so you often end up having to replace it immediately.
In any case, no oil stains or similar marks were reported on the garage floor.

You're very welcome!

Best regards from Munich!

Hi GlücksBärchie,

Quote:

It sounds plausible that it could be related to oil or oil pressure, but I want to logically rule it out, because the registered errors changed from "Sporadic" to permanently static - without the engine running, completely cooled down!

Don't expect too much logic from the error memory. It's possible (!) that this error normally only appears when the engine is running and can only be cleared there. Since you're doing this with the engine off, the DSG control unit checks the pressure and determines that it's not correct, and therefore changes the error from "intermittent" to "static." This is just one possibility, but in the past, there have been error messages in the engine control unit that only appeared when the engine was off and could only be cleared when the engine was running. Therefore, I wouldn't rule it out for the DSG.

Back to the topic:
The internet suggests that the hydraulic pump is not building enough pressure, or that the pressure is fluctuating too much. Therefore, the DSG control unit (DSG-STG) believes that the pump has too much play and is trying to protect itself, resulting in a "play protection" error.

The causes appear to be varied, ranging from oil leaks and pump failures to a problem similar to the one that triggered a recall of 7-speed DSG transmissions in China (corrosion caused by sulfur in the DSG oil).

Nice examples:
http://www.polo6rfreunde.de/index.php/Thread/10889-Fehler-Motor-f%C3%BCr-Hydraulikpumpe-Unterspannung/
http://vagcomforum.de/index.php?showtopic=18772#entry105919

Good luck to your acquaintance, and hopefully it's just a lack of oil.

Greetings.
Guste.

"Spielschutz" refers to the fact that there is always a system pressure that keeps the two pistons at a defined point. While the mechatronic module has a pressure accumulator, it is not sufficient to maintain this pressure indefinitely.

Here you can see the pump.

https://youtu.be/xyp96e1p16Q?t=814

Hello everyone!

Once again, my sincerest thanks for the explanations!!

Here are two log files with mostly uneventful entries; proper logging of the time and location is impossible.

Here, I initially recorded various speeds and voltages, and later, I also recorded the desired and actual pressures, voltage, and current of the hydraulic pump using more advanced diagnostic tools.
I lack the experience, but Druck1 seems to be the static maximum value at 60 bar, while Druck2, with values of 42/45/52 bar, represents the corresponding minimum or target pressure.
The actual pressure is significantly lower than the previous value in some cases, but the actual and target pump speed appear normal at a constant 2,100 RPM.
Okay, the current draw from the pump is fluctuating quite a bit, but that might be normal *shrug*. The pump voltage remains stable and close to the vehicle's power supply.
The clutches seem to be working properly, and despite the error message in the onboard computer, the shifting and driving behavior remains consistently smooth.

Regarding the error memory:
Immediately after (cold) startup, the errors reappeared "sporadically" in the memory and could be cleared. Approximately 10 minutes later, they returned with a flashing wrench symbol on the instrument cluster, and this time they were persistent and could no longer be cleared.
It seemed that, for some reason, the factor at play here was time.

I have already found the relevant posts and was aware of the oil issue with the DSG even before. However, I see more speculation here than concrete solutions.
The service booklet for the vehicle does not contain any entries, and there are no visible action stickers on the A/B pillars either.
There should be three indentations on the oil drain plug to indicate that an oil change has already been performed, but I didn't want to disassemble anything there today.

My advice, as before: Have the DSG oil changed with a new filter, and possibly have the transmission control software updated, as there seem to be at least two newer versions available.
I will report back, and after the visit to the workshop, I will definitely run another car scan.

We would like to express our sincere gratitude once again for your assistance.

Best regards from Munich!

Hello everyone!

P.S. GKB devices are NAT (Network Address Translation).

When looking at the RLF (..., one could have checked this beforehand, right? ), it becomes apparent that this "0AM" DSG has TWO DIFFERENT oil fillings.
First, there's the standard gear oil, which can be drained through a drain plug and then refilled through the shift lever cover (which needs to be removed for this) with a precise fill volume of 1.7 liters.
The oil level cannot be determined directly, except by changing the oil and collecting the old oil, which, in turn, cannot be reused.

Now things are getting interesting - or sad:
On the other hand, there's a hydraulic oil filling in the mechatronics unit, which is precisely the area that is likely of interest in this post.
Here, no exchange is planned. The new mechatronic unit will be shipped with the correct amount of oil, and returns must be shipped with the oil still inside.
Accordingly, no maintenance procedures such as filter replacement, oil level checks, or oil changes are performed here.
The oil filter shown in the various pictures and videos is not actually present in this DSG transmission.

Let's see what the workshop says.

Best regards from Munich!

"With the 6-speed DSG, they only managed to get through the filter because it involves wet clutches. The oil change was also interesting to me (I don't have much experience with transmissions). The fill plug is also the drain plug. Behind this plug, there's a plastic tube screwed in. This tube needs to be removed so that the used oil can drain out of the transmission. Then, new oil is added through the same opening, filling the transmission. Afterwards, with the engine running at operating temperature, the tube essentially indicates the correct fill level."

To the best of my knowledge, with the 7-speed transmission, the hydraulic circuit cannot be drained and refilled while the transmission is still attached to the engine... that's the nature of the lifetime fill. However, the actual transmission oil can be changed, but that probably won't improve the situation in your case... so it's likely going to require some work.

Hello everyone!

HAH!
I actually found something that suggests an oil change might be possible in the mechatronics system.

http://www.automatik-getriebe-berlin.de/automatikgetriebefaupel/getriebe/oelkDSG0AM.pdf

Best regards from Munich!

Bingo, and the Prussians too!

It's worth a try, the new mechatronics system costs almost 2,000€! Go ahead and build yourself several funnels with extension hoses attached.

Hello everyone!

Yes, the prices... But it could still be worse .

First of all, I want to reiterate my sincere gratitude for the helpful tips - I can't thank you enough!

Here's a quick update on the matter:

Last Wednesday, we were together at a northern branch of the well-known Munich-based VAG fast-food chain, where the sign outside said "Skoda" and the car used to be brand new.
My acquaintance initially didn't want to, because she had developed allergies against the club, but she eventually agreed after I explained my reasoning.
Okay, the staff at that rental place were incredibly rude – they definitely have less decorum and probably less class than the people working at McKotz behind the counter *thinking out loud*.
The problem was briefly described and acknowledged with disinterest. Furthermore, I naturally had the VCDS printout, or Autoscan, with me in order to narrow down the error as much as possible.
The documents were pushed aside with the words "...I'm not interested..." (direct quote!!!), and from that point on, it was essentially impossible to have a normal conversation with the person.
I would also like to know if the current repair manual (RLF) describes an oil change for the mechatronics unit, and furthermore, whether they would still perform a hydraulic oil change at a customer's request, even if it is not described in the manual (as mentioned above!).
As expected, he didn't want to check the service manual (RLF) and continued to say that if it wasn't described exactly as it is in the RLF, or if it stated something different, they wouldn't perform an oil change, even if the customer wanted it!
Apparently, what was much more important to Mr. was the assumption that the already signed repair order would cover whether the car could be washed, whether there were any valuables inside, etc.

We definitely need to perform some troubleshooting, guided if necessary, and then we can proceed.
Upon my inquiry, I received the response: "That can cost around 200 EUR!"
...and here, at this point, AGAIN my main reason for using VCDS
Also, 1x anstecken und blöd schaun dabei, rd. 200 EUR. Without any breakdowns!
(auch DAS kenne ich persönlich SO bei einem MStG-Update vom T5: 5min. klicken, 1h warten - OHNE Personaleinsatz: 130 EUR! Neija...)

On Friday, I received a phone call informing me that the mechatronics system was broken.
No, really?! That's unbelievable.
They've never experienced anything like that before... (Why doesn't lightning strike them when they make such statements?!!)
We are attempting to file a goodwill request regarding the vehicle. We are awaiting a response, and the car must remain at the facility over the weekend.

Alleged response from Skoda: 100% parts, 0% labor.
Okay, my advice: Just go for it.

Today, she picked up the Octavia again, but she didn't receive any receipt and didn't have to pay anything – for now. And, of course, on the way home, she experienced the same intermittent jerking as before.
Whether anything was actually done or whether a learning cycle was simply not performed... we don't know. Not yet!
Given that there are no new or different reported shortcomings in driving behavior, I'm inclined to believe the former is the case. }

If I happen to be in the area sometime, I'll do another car scan and keep you updated.

Best regards from Munich!

It kind of reminds me of "Mr. Kaufmann, we've repaired your car." - 3rd attempt and the check engine light comes on 50 meters after leaving...

"Auto muss übers Wochenende dableiben" sounds more like an emergency room in a hospital and empty departments . Whereas, no bill with presumably no work would represent a rather positive correlation. Usually, for them, no work doesn't correlate with a high bill and possibly more errors than before. You probably marked the oil inlet screw beforehand somehow, right?

Hello everyone!

Yes, not only did Mr. Kaufmann have a Déjà vu, and my acquaintance immediately said after the initial acceptance of the vehicle: "Now I know why I don't like coming here!"

As a helpful addition, it should be noted that the mileage reading on the odometer changed exactly by NUHUULL kilometers before and after the repair.
(I have to check again whether the car was still in the same spot where she had parked it ).

Generally, I don't like working on other people's cars, and even less so on the cars of acquaintances or friends - for reasons .
In this case, I didn't want to make things any worse, and I certainly didn't want to jeopardize the possibility of a generous resolution.
That's why I haven't disassembled or marked anything so far.

I will report .

Best regards from Munich!

Hello everyone!

And now, here's the big reveal regarding the case:

LZ wrote:

Game protection means that there is always a system pressure that prevails to keep the two pistons at a defined point. While a pressure accumulator is installed in the mechatronic unit, it is not sufficient for an unlimited time. ...

That's exactly right!

I took some time this evening to look over the Octavia again.
Mechatronics is new, or rather, brand new.
I'm skipping the full system scan again, but the hardware part number is the same. The software part number has changed to: 0AM 300 058 Q, and the software version is now: (431) 6203. Finally, a different Vehicle Specific Code (WSC) is now applied.
By the way, I checked the extended ID: Mechatronics was created in 11/2015 and has been programmed twice so far.
So, contrary to initial assumptions, it turns out she was switched.
I don't know how the "0km learning" process works, but you don't have to know everything to the point of exhaustion .

Things are about to get really interesting with the newly implemented logging system.

In the recording provided, it is clearly visible that the hydraulic pump was running CONSTANTLY WITHOUT INTERRUPTION. Due to my lack of experience, I initially considered this to be abnormal. Furthermore, the setpoint/actual speed values displayed on the motor control board (MCB) indicated continuous regulation, rather than a "controlled" operation.
In SSP No. 390, on page 40, near the top, a single subordinate clause mentions that the GeStG system controls the hydraulic pump on and off based on pressure.
Ok, here too I didn't think much further, because in such a technical specification (SSP), details are almost never given, and everything is only described schematically. Incidentally, the SSP mentions contradictory filling quantities for Mechatronics, stating both 1.1L and 1.0L. ...so it's all approximate & fits anyway

Actually, the hydraulic pump only runs at ONE speed of 2,200 RPM and is switched on or off depending on the pressure.
(originally, a technical step backward using a three-phase motor, which anyway has to be driven by a frequency converter (circuit), but I didn't study... you know ).
Here as well, there's a pressure of 1 with 60 bar, which is likely the maximum pressure (SSP states 70 bar...), and this is a fixed value. Pressure 2, on the other hand, appears to be the minimum pressure and is variably specified by the GeStG (depending on the required coupling pressure/load situation?), but never below 42 bar.
In the first log, these 42 bar were sometimes below the actual pressure, and it was unlikely that values above 45 bar were reached, all while the hydraulic pump was running constantly! Also, the current draw was much lower compared to now.

With modern mechatronic systems, the hydraulic pump typically only runs for a short period, builds up the maximum pressure, and then is completely shut off for approximately 10-30 seconds: the target/actual speed is zero.
The pressure here decreases more or less slowly towards "Pressure 2", which then triggers short activations (approximately 1-2 seconds) of the pump.

Findings regarding this case:
Either the oil level in the mechatronic unit was too low, causing the pump to also draw in air (which explains the continuous operation and lower power consumption!), or there was a leak in the hydraulic circuit, possibly due to a faulty valve, cylinder, seal, or membrane.
One will have to die ignorant here, despite philosophy.
I'll keep that in mind, and I'll take the car out for a drive every few months to document any potential wear and tear.

Insights from other websites like MotorBlöd & Co.:
All garbage and pretentious nonsense!!!
...and I had really read a lot, a lot, a lot about it, because my acquaintance is really a sweet person and it's definitely worth it .
Not a single post from "HalbSchlaubie" described the definitive on/off switching of the hydraulic pump, nor the continuous pressure drop over time during operation in relation to the control of the hydraulic pump. It was always just talk about "...you need to check...", "the pressure should be at least 45 bar...", "*blah blah*", and that is ABSOLUTELY WRONG!
It is correct that the pressure is ALWAYS in the range of 42-60 bar, with occasional overshoots. It can be temporarily requested to be different by the relevant authority (GeStG) if needed, and it is ALWAYS charged up to 60 bar, as there is a pressure accumulator present.
Ultimately, for error analysis, the decisive factor is the maximum pressure achieved (TARGET: 60 bar! and nothing else!!), how long it takes for the minimum pressure to be reached after the pump is switched off (approximately 20-30 seconds, depending on the switching and coupling requirements), and finally, that the pump is only activated for very short periods.
The longer this hydraulic pump has to run under pressure, the greater the problem becomes in the DSG (Dual Clutch System).
As a reference, please find the relevant log in the attachment. If I had known this information earlier, ... exactly .

And finally, a heartfelt thank you to our QuotenÖsi LiZ, who was absolutely right with his prediction! (I can't give more than one thumbs up, sorry ).
Why VAG chose to implement "game protection" despite the existing and quite extensive error messages remains a mystery, but that's okay...
Perhaps to prevent people like me from doing something?
"Spielschutz" is described in English-speaking VAG forums as "play protection," for example, referring to the constant raising and lowering of windows, which acts as an "overload protection" (due to user error and/or improper use)!
That's why I was so disoriented and unsure at the beginning, reading something like that in the Data Protection Act.

Many thanks again to everyone .

Should anything significantly new happen, I will post more details here again .

Best regards from Munich!

EDIT: SW-T-No., SW-Version, Log.