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Post12-10-2017, 14:42    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Quote

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In meinem Corrado 2.0 Modelljahr 1994 wurde bereits ab Werk eine 16-polige OBD-Buchse unter der Schalthebelverkleidung verbaut. Die Motorsteuerung kann ich mit meinem KEY-COM-Adapter auslesen. Allerdings erfolgt die Abfrage des ABS noch mit Blink-Codes. So konnte ich bereits ein defektes vorderes Sensorkabel identifizieren. Da ich den Diagnosestecker dazu nicht gefunden hatte, hatte ich einfach direkt an der Fehlerlampe die Klemmung nach Masse vorgenommen um das Ausblinken einzuleiten. I have now determined that this wire is also connected to the 16-pin diagnostic connector, specifically to pin 14 (which is now assigned to CAN-Low).

Um EDS einzubauen (= Elektronische Differentialsperre; Hat nichts mit ESP zu tun) habe ich das ABS Teves 02 umgebaut auf ABS/EDS Teves 02. Obwohl beides den Namen Teves 02 trägt, handelt es sich um völlig unterschiedliche Bremssteuergeräte, denn das reine ABS ist 35-polig während ABS/EDS 55-polig ist. Ich musste folglich alle Komponenten tauschen: Hydraulikblock, Kabelbaum und Steuergerät; Allein die Sensoren konnte ich beibehalten. Nebenbei: Es gibt auch noch ABS und ABS/EDS Teves 04 - beides mit einem 55-poligen Steuergerät – aber wieder mit einen herkömmlichen Unterdruckbremskraftverstärker wie seitdem bis heute üblich. Laut The VW repair manual may have only been used for right-hand drive vehicles in the Corrado.

Jetzt bin ich schon ein paar Jahre unterwegs mit ABS/EDS und stelle fest, dass das Ausblinken nicht funktioniert. Im VW-Reparaturleitfaden für die Corrado Fahrwerk-Eigendiagnose steht im Kapitel ABS/EDS Teves 02, dass Steuergeräte mit unterschiedlicher Fehlerspeicherabfrage zum Einsatz kamen: Bis 07.91 mit Blink-Code-Ausgabe und ab 08.91 mit schneller Datenübertragung. Es wird darauf hingewiesen, dass als Ersatzteil nur die Version mit schneller Datenübertragung erhältlich ist, wodurch auch vorherige Fahrzeuge dann automatisch mit der schnellen Datenübertragung ausgerüstet seien. Da If it is not possible to visually inspect the vehicle's status, it is generally recommended to start with the "Fast Data Transfer" mode when performing self-diagnosis.

Seit dem Umbau habe ich zwei zusätzliche Leitungen an einem 2-poligen Stecker unter der Schalthebelabdeckung: grau-gelb und grau-rot. Seltsamerweise passen die gängigen 2x2-Adapter nicht. In einem amerikanischen Schaltplan für den Corrado sehe ich ebenfalls zwei Diagnoseleitungen, welche von Pin 42 (grau/weiß) und Pin 23 (gelb) des Steuergerätes kommen. Die gelbe Leitung ist gekennzeichnet mit „Canada only“, die andere schätze ich ist die K-Leitung. Jedenfalls kann mein KEY-COM-Adapter mit keiner der beiden Leitungen etwas anfangen. Ich habe auch schon als Startbaud-Rate 9600, 4800, 2400, 1200 und 240 probiert – erfolglos. KIs it possible that both K and L lines are required to establish communication with this generation of electronic control units?"The L-line was originally intended as a trigger line for initiating communication, but it disappeared pretty quickly. My original diesel adapter should have been capable of fast data transfer from the beginning, but does it require an old software version to do so?"


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Post12-10-2017, 17:47    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Quote

Hi there.

A friend has an early Golf III convertible that could only be diagnosed using my 1551 scanner. It was not possible to establish a connection to the control unit with VCDS, and this car also had the 2x2 connector installed.

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Post12-10-2017, 18:50    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Quote

Hi,

Yes, very old engine control units (ECUs) require K and L lines, and the KEY-COM can support that.
K-Line is pin 7 in the diagnostic connector, and L-Line is typically pin 15.
Relatively modern engine control units do not require an L-line if the "new" ABS system only has a K-line; you can connect the K-line to the free pin of the L-line in the diagnostic connector.
Otherwise, connect both correctly.

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Post13-10-2017, 21:29    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Quote

Hello Ruedi,
Were all the pins on the connectors occupied by wires in the convertible version? (If you happen to remember).

Hello Rainer,
I tried reading the data again today using the correct wiring: Unfortunately, I still didn't get any response from the control unit.
I naturally tried both configurations since I don't have any documentation specifying which pin is for the K line and which is for the L line. The KEY-COM has a pull-up resistor of approximately 500 ohms connected to battery positive on both pins (7 and 15).

"This can be measured. During the connection attempts, I observed what was happening using a multimeter. A multimeter is too slow for this kind of thing, but at least you can see that there are complete transitions between high and low levels, and it seems to me that the same thing is happening on both lines."
But is that the intended purpose? My adapter says "Dual-K." How does the adapter or software know that it's not just reading pure K-lines, but that an L-line control signal needs to be sent?


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Post13-10-2017, 22:42    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Translating...

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dass es vollständige Wechsel zwischen High- und Low-Pegel gibt, und mir kommt es so vor, als ob sich an beiden Leitungen die gleiche Geschichte abspielt. Aber ist das Sinn und Zweck der Sache?

Ja, ist es. Wenn die per K-Line übermittelte Steueradresse nicht stimmt, gibt es auf der entprechenden K-Line einfach eine/keine Antwort.

Das 5-Baud-Init sollte eine L-Line eigentliche "reizen", sofern vorhanden. Ist aber Spekulation von mir, da selbst in meinen jungen Bastelzeiten die L-Line schon veraltet war...
Sehe gerade in https://community.dieselschrauber.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=3089 ist die Kabelfarbe der L-Line gelb. Das könnte zu Deiner Beschreibung passen.

Ohne Schaltplan und Pinbelegung des Anschlussteckers Deines ABS-Steuergeräts wirst Du kaum weiter kommen, wie ist die VAG-Teilenummer?

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Post14-10-2017, 21:44    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Quote

Hello Rainer,

I already have the pinout for the connector of my ABS/EDS control unit, specifically in the form of the American wiring diagram (pin 42, gray/white).
and pin 23 (yellow) connects to the diagnostic connector.

Unfortunately, the cable colors don't match because I have gray-yellow and gray-red ones.

I unplugged the connector to confirm that it's a 55-pin control unit. However, I can't read the part number right now because I can't get one of the screws on the bracket loose (it's not fully threaded and is stuck...). I'll continue working on it tomorrow.

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Post15-10-2017, 18:01    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Quote

It worked with a good screwdriver. The part number is 357 907 379 A.

Interestingly, the sticker on it says "ABS control unit" and nothing about EDS. However, I've experienced this function working several times, for example, when starting with one tire on a slippery shoulder, or when downshifting and engaging the clutch on a slippery road surface, you can hear the EDS valves clicking.

How do I properly connect to the L-line now?

Andreas


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Post16-10-2017, 16:06    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Quote

Hi,

Looking at the picture, it might seem silly, but the K-line (yellow wire) is sufficient in the example. Are you sure that everything is connected correctly on your end?

Die K-Line ist im Bild in der letzten Kontaktreihe, der 5. Pin from the right.

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Post16-10-2017, 22:28    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Quote

Hello Rainer,

"I haven't connected anything directly to the control unit, because I bought a complete, undamaged wiring harness for the conversion. Since it came from a Corrado, I was able to easily install it using a plug-and-play system. I had the hydraulic unit replaced at a local workshop (it was practically done at the same time as the brake fluid change)."
Regarding your picture: My control unit with 55 pins looks completely different; it resembles the image labeled 'ABS EDS control unit number 1HO 907379 A.JPG'. And I also found a picture online of a 1H0 907 379 D, which doesn't look like the one in your picture either (ABS_Steuergerät_aus_94er_Golf_3_2E.JPG).

Zugegebenermaßen kommt es mir schon immer spanisch vor, dass diese beiden Leitungen einen anderen Stecker haben, als den für 2x2-Diagnose-Adapter. Auch sind sie ungewöhnlich dick für Kommunikationsleitungen. Der vorherige ABS-Kabelbaum hatte diesen Abzweig gar nicht, denn wie gesagt war das noch ein 35-poliges Steuergerät bei dem Blink-Code-Ausgabe vom Stand der Technik her gesetzt war. "However, the factory configuration for my vehicle didn't include the 2x2 diagnostic connectors. Instead, as mentioned earlier, the blinking code output line (= ABS fault lamp K47) is connected to the 16-pin diagnostic connector at pin 14 (the lamp illuminates when I short this pin to ground)."
Okay, I'm going to remove the control unit again to check with a multimeter whether the supposed K/L wires actually lead to the expected pins 42/23.



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Post17-10-2017, 10:20    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Quote

Here's a closer look at the connector. I misspoke in my previous post; the K-line is pin number 42, which is the fifth pin from the right.

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Post17-10-2017, 20:47    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Quote

Hello Rainer,

ja, dein neues Bild zeigt eindeutig, dass es von einem 55-poligen Teves-02-Steuergerät ist und es passt zusammen mit der Situation in meinem Auto. Per Multimeter habe ich ermittelt, dass an Pin 42 das grau/gelbe Kabel angeschlossen ist, das bei mir in der Mittelkonsole endet. Der amerikanische Schaltplan passt auch dazu, nur dass dort die Kabelfarbe grau/weiß ist. Das muss also die K-Line sein. Die zweite, mit „Canada only“ bezeichnete, gelbe Leitung im Schaltplan geht wie bei mir auch auf Pin 23, bloß dass diese bei mir grau/rot ist. Das mIt should be the L-line.

Unfortunately, I also made a mistake; the part number is not 357 907 379 A, but rather 535 907 397 A.

Then I have some good news: Since the error is no longer occurring sporadically but the warning light is constantly on, I was able to identify the problem at the control unit connector: According to the wiring diagram, the sensor connections are as follows:
Front left: between pins 48 and 30.
Front right: between pins 47 and 29.
Rear left: between pins 46 and 28.
Rear right: between pins 45 and 27.
Everything has a resistance of approximately 1.1 kOhms, except for the one on the front left, which is infinite, meaning it's broken. I then measured directly at the sensor to determine if the left cable was faulty (I had already replaced the right cable before 2010), and: It's clear that the sensor itself is defective because it has an infinitely high resistance.

Trotzdem möchte ich aber beim nächsten Defekt nicht wieder weiterfahren müssen, bis der Fehler permanent ist, sondern auslesen können. Das muss doch auch bei meinem Steuergerät möglich sein (Das Gehäuse sieht wieder anders aus, als auf allen Bildern oben, denn es ist ein Druckgussgehäuse mit Kühlrippen an den Rändern und hinten und vorne flächig mit Blechdeckel geschlossen; grüner Aufkleber). OdHe's having trouble with the indicator lights, and I think I'm doing something wrong. Shouldn't the ground wire of the warning light be connected to the chassis while the ignition is on, and then disconnected after about 5 seconds?

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Post17-10-2017, 21:15    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Quote

Halt! Kommando zurück! Keinen Kopf mehr zerbrechen über die L-Leitung, denn während ich es absendete ist es mir klar geworden und habe auch gerade draussen an meinem Auto die Blink-Codes dieses Teves 02 ABS/EDS, Teilenummer 535907397A erfolgreich ausgelesen! Da"How" follows...

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Post17-10-2017, 22:43    Subject: ABS/EDC reading not working Quote

"Rainer, I'm sorry, but this is a completely confusing story: The thing about the 5 's on the mass bridge during ignition is correct, but the trick is figuring out which of the incredibly many wires to use!"

The two changes, from 2x2 diagnostic connectors to a 16-pin OBD connector, and from blink codes to fast data transmission (K-line), have created a huge compatibility issue.

To me, it seemed completely illogical that simply replacing the ABS control unit and without modifying the factory-installed wiring harness could suddenly cause the K-line to be wired differently, as suggested by the VW repair manual. Somehow, both configurations must have been considered in the wiring harness already, but how?
As reported, in my original ABS wiring harness, the wire leading to the ABS lamp was also acting as the ground connection needed to initiate the diagnostic code output. However, the K-line requires its own dedicated pin, independent of the warning light.

In fact, the older 35-pin ABS control units have two diagnostic pins, namely 26 and 27, which are connected together in the wiring harness in all of the schematics I've seen, and they lead to both the warning light and the diagnostic connector.
By disconnecting the control unit, it cannot be separated. I should have forgotten about that, because it remains a potential issue.

Wenn man genau überlegt, dann gibt es bei den 55-poligen Steuergeräten gleich drei Leitungen für die Diagnose-Geschichten! Da sind neben der Fehlerlampe noch zwei weitere (K-/L-Leitung). Mir scheint, als ist den Entwicklern damals als Übergangslösung für Geräte mit noch Blink-Code-Ausgabe nichts besseres eingefallen, als die ohnehin sinnlose L-Line für eine Simulation der Blink-Code-Ausgabe zu „missbrauchen“, denn das funktioniert bei mir: An der grau/roten Leitung (nachgewiesenermaßen kommt diese von Pin 23) liegen bei mir bei angeschalter Zündung ca. 10 V an. Die grThe yellow wire connected to pin 42 (K-line) is not working on my device (showing 0.0V).

"However, pin 23 is also not internally connected to the error lamp. Nevertheless, initiating the blink code output function works on this "new" pin practically as expected. Unfortunately, pin 14 of my OBD connector still carries the voltage of the error lamp, which led me to believe that if it's related to blink code output, it *must* go through this pin – but that is not the case."Several error codes are now appearing, as these are also stored even without power. To reach the next error, you need to short the ground connection again.
1112 - ABS inlet valve, front left.
1222 - Main ABS valve.
2133 - Pressure sensor for ABS (Anti-lock Braking System).
1233 - Speed sensor, front left.
1241 - Speed sensor, front right.
1311 - Rear left speed sensor.
1243 - Rear right speed sensor.

So, it seems like almost everything should be broken down! I think the large number of error messages is a consequence of continuing to drive despite the defect. For now, I'm sticking with the belief that only the front left sensor is faulty, and I'll get back to you once I've replaced it.

Best regards,
Andreas


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Post04-11-2017, 18:35    Subject: ABS/EDC successfully repaired Quote

"Bingo: After replacing the front left sensor, the warning light went off on the next drive after about 1 km on a country road. (It took some time because there haven't been any drives in the past few weeks that couldn't be easily done by bike.) Today, just to be sure, I checked the system again: the response was 4444, meaning no errors are stored – which is good."

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