Non-Working Rear Wiper (Golf 5, 1K1)

Hi everyone,

I just have a quick, empirical question: The rear wiper on my Golf 5 (details in the header) hasn't been working since winter. The fuse has already been checked.

Okay, the question is: What is most likely to break? Therefore, based on experience...

- Body control module.
- Switch/lever
- Wiring or connectors.
- The wiper motor itself.

I just want to hear a few opinions before I start tearing it apart...

Best regards, Styrian.

Crystal ball gazing - maybe take a look at the vehicle's onboard network control unit using VCDS?
hg
Herbert.

As always, let's start with a full system scan...

...*ahem*, *clears throat* - Why didn't I think of that? I'll add it. I'm such an idiot... sorry. I'll go get the Android device now...

Best regards, Styrian.

...so, I'm kind of at odds with VCDS mobile. I have the logs, but where are they (are they maybe on the interface???).

Copy and paste as text into an editor - the formatting is missing. Send via email - an error message appears with garbled text. Upload to the cloud. The upload was successful, but the cloud page cannot be accessed due to an invalid certificate.

Regarding that, a software update was suggested via the Per Vcds Mobile app - via Wi-Fi??? So, I'm very unsure about that. The Android tablet is acting as a hotspot and is connected to the internet via LTE.

Is the VCDS app actually from Ross-Tech?

The only thing I can say right now is that the BNSTG log received the following:

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1K1-955-119-C Labels: 1Kx-955-119.clb Component: VW350 013 0402 Wiper Coding: 0063445

What is this, then?

I'm going to dig out my old laptop again and use Microsoft's useless software and VCDS to extract some logs.

Greetings from Styria.

P.S.: I thought I could now retire my laptop and do everything that used to be done under Windows with the Android device, but I think that was a misconception.

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P.S.: I thought I could now retire the laptop and do everything that used to be done under Windows with the Android device, but I think that was a misconception.

Yes. I see VCDS-Mobile as a "makeshift solution using a mobile phone" for on the go. It's better to use the VCDS Windows version.

Best regards, Rainer.

...soderle. Nach einer kleinen Update-Orgie von VCDS und Interface konnte ich zumindest wieder wieder am Lappy einen Log ziehen. Passenderweise machte auch meine Batt eine Grätsche. Really great.

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Friday, April 20, 2018, 21:12:04:29921 VCDS -- A VAG/VAS emulator based on Windows, running on Windows XP x86. VCDS Version: RKS 18.2.1.0 HEX-NET CB: 0.4411.4 Data as of: 20180313 DS287.1 http://shop.dieselschrauber.org/en Vehicle Identification Number: WVWZZZ1KZ6P123456 License plate: 12345 Mileage: 115970 km. Repair order: "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Vehicle type: 1K (1K0) Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 Vehicle Identification Number: WVWZZZ1KZ6P123456 Mileage: 115,970 km 00-Steering angle sensor -- Status: OK 0000 01-Motor electronics -- Status: OK 0000 03-Brake electronics -- Status: OK 0000 08-Climate Control/Heating Unit -- Status: Error 0010. 09-Central Electrical System -- Status: OK. 15-Airbag -- Status: OK 0000 16-Wheel steering electronics -- Status: OK 0000 17-Terminal block insert -- Status: OK 0000 19-Diagnosis interface -- Status: OK 0000. Immobilizer system -- Status: OK 0000 42-Door Electric Driver -- Status: OK 0000 44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000 46-Comfort System -- Status: OK 0000 52-door electric passenger door - Status: OK 0000. 56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000 62- Door, electric, left and right -- Status: OK 0000 72-Door, electric, high, right side -- Status: OK 0000. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 01: Engine Control Unit Label file: DRV\036-906-032-AXP.lbl Part number SW: 036 997 032 Q Hardware: xxxxxxxxxxx Component: BOSCH ME7.5.10, part number 9731. Revision: -------- Serial Number: VWZ7Z0E3028708 Encoding: 0000071 Operating number: WSC 00290 219 80273 VCID: 281C2C489B87FA0449-807C No error codes found. Readiness: 0000 0000 "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 03: Brake Electronics Label file: DRV\1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl Part number SW: 1K0 907 379 AA, Hardware: 1K0 907 379 AA. Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0102 Revision: 00H13001 Encoding: 0019073 Operating number: WSC 00028 028 00001 VCID: 71AA012C68DDFBCCDE-8024 No error codes found. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 08: Climate Control/Heating. Label file: DRV\1K0-907-044.lbl Part number: 1K0 907 044 BD Component: Climatronic PQ35 090 0808 Operating Number: WSC 00000 000 00000 VCID: 6A981640450B08149F-803E "One error found:" 01809 - Temperature flap control motor, left (V158) 000 - - - Sporadically "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 09: Central Electronics Label file: .DRV\3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl Part number SW: 3C0 937 049 E, HW: 3C0 937 049 E. Component: On-board network module H37 1002. Revision: 00H37000 Serial Number: 00000005193273 Encoding: 098D0F2700041800001400001400000000097F075C Operating number: WSC 00028 028 00001 VCID: 2B16D3448A71D11CA4-807E Subsystem 1 - Part number: 1K1 955 119 C Label file: DRV\1KX-955-119.CLB Part: VW350 Wiper Blade, Part Number: 013 0402. Encoding: 00063445 Operating number: WSC 00028 No error codes found. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 15: Airbag Label file: DRV\1K0-909-605.lbl Part number SW: 1K0 909 605 R, HW: 1K0 909 605 R. Part number: 37 AIRBAG VW8 018 2200. Revision: 02018000 Serial Number: 0038MD03JR8H Encoding: 0013111 Operating number: WSC 00028 028 00001 VCID: 3B36E3047A11419C34-806E Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME0D574C21F. Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME0C5702211 Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME02583103% Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME032132470. No error codes found. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 16: Steering wheel electronics Label file: DRV\1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl Part number SW: 1K0 953 549 AE, Hardware: 1K0 953 549 AE. Component: Steering column module 034 0070. Encoding: 0000002 Operating number: WSC 00028 028 00001 VCID: 75A2353C1CB5D7EC02-8020 No error codes found. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 17: Control panel module Label file: DRV\1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl Part number: 1K0 920 852 G Component: COMBINATION INSTRUMENT VDD 1012 Encoding: 0001103 Operating number: WSC 00290 219 08831 VCID: 2D12DD5CB465DF2CBA-8078 No error codes found. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 19: Diagnostic interface Label file: .DRV\1K0-907-530-V1.clb Part number SW: 1K0 907 530 F, HW: 1K0 907 951. Component: Gateway H10 0120 Revision: H10 Serial Number: 2800105B048818 Encoding: 3D3F0340070002 Operating number: WSC 00028 028 00001 VCID: 2A18D640858BC8145F-807E No error codes found. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 25: Immobilizer Label file: DRV\1K0-920-xxx-25.clb Part number: 1K0 920 852 G Component: IMMO VDD 1012 Operating Number: WSC 00000 000 00000 VCID: 2D12DD5CB465DF2CBA-8078 No error codes found. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 42: Door electric driver Label file: DRV\1K0-959-701-MIN2.lbl Part number: 1K0 959 701 K Component: Door seal 024 2373 Encoding: 0000180 Operating number: WSC 00028 028 00001 VCID: 3620F23041339CF4CB-8062 No error codes found. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 44: Steering Assist Label file: DRV\1Kx-909-144-G2V2.clb Part number: 1K1 909 144 K Component: EPS_ZFLS, Size 5, Part Number D06 1701. Operating Number: WSC 00000 000 00000 VCID: 3326CB24524189DCEC-8066 No error codes found. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 46: Comfort System. Label file: .DRV\1K0-959-433-MIN.clb Part number: 1K0 959 433 AK Component: KSG 0401 Encoding: 00C802087F2D8405484F01E010CC Operating number: WSC 00028 028 00001 VCID: 79BA390C30ADB38C66-802C Subsystem 1 - Component: Sounder (not mounted) Subsystem 2 - Component: NGS, not mounted. Subsystem 3 - Component: IRUE, not mounted. No error codes found. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 52: Door electric, passenger side. Label file: DRV\1K0-959-702-MIN2.lbl Part number: 1K0 959 702 K Component: Door seal 024 2373 Encoding: 0000180 Operating number: WSC 00028 028 00001 VCID: 373EFF34463965FCD0-8062 No error codes found. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 56: Radio Label file: DRV\1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl Part number: 1K0 035 186 P Part: Radio GR0 015 0019 Revision: 0001503S Serial Number: VWZ2Z2E2984964 Coding: 0020200 Operating number: WSC 00028 028 00001 VCID: 3326CB24524189DCEC-8066 "One error found:" 00668 - Voltage at terminal 30. 002 - lower limit exceeded. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 62: Door electric, left/right. Label file: DRV\1K0-959-703-GEN2.lbl Part number: 1K0 959 703 F Component: Door Seal 021 2429 Encoding: 0000144 Operating number: WSC 00028 028 00001 VCID: 3326CB24524189DCEC-8066 No error codes found. "Die Sonne scheint hell, und die Vögel zwitschern fröhlich. Ein leichter Wind weht durch die Bäume, und die Blätter rascheln leise. Es ist ein wunderschöner Tag, um draußen zu sein." Address 72: Door electric strike, right side. Label file: DRV\1K0-959-704-GEN2.lbl Part number: 1K0 959 704 F Component: Door Seal 021 2429 Encoding: 0000144 Operating number: WSC 00028 028 00001 VCID: 3424C838574F8EE4F5-8060 No error codes found. Ende---(Dauer: 01:26, Batt.-Spannung Start/Ende: 10.5V/8.6V. VIgn 8.7V)----

Habe in einem alten Log nachgesehen. Dort stand das gleiche wegen dem Scheibenwischer drin. Daher kann es das nicht sein. Aber wenigstens ist da etwas bei der Klima hinzugekommen. Freude kommt auf. Therefore, it is the case that...

- Lever
- Cables and connectors
- Wiper motor

..klar im Rennen. Empirische Ideen bez. Failure ???

Best regards, Styrian.

Hi,

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I managed to pull a log from my laptop again, despite the VCDS and interface update frenzy. Coincidentally, my battery also gave up.

Updates can be installed without a connection to the car.

Unfortunately, there's no apparent bus error or similar issue. I'm afraid the only option for now is to remove the rear door trim and check if the rear wiper motor is actually being activated.

If you can switch the rear wiper to intermittent mode and it works, but a single tap doesn't do anything, it's likely a problem with the switch on the steering wheel.
However, it is more likely that the problem is related to cable issues leading to the wiper motor, or the wiper motor itself.

Best regards, Rainer.

"Well, that's quite a statement. And exactly what I was afraid of. I'll take a look at the rear panel and connect the cables to a multimeter soon. Let's see what comes up. Basically, nothing works with just a simple tap or something. And I think it's either the motor or the wiring harness. There used to be a function where, if the front windshield wipers were on and reverse gear was engaged, the rear wiper would also activate. And that's not working either."

Thank you for the tip.

I also only found out later that the adapter doesn't actually need to be plugged into the car. It was a misconception. But now I at least have the latest version installed. Let's see if there have been any improvements regarding the web interface and Android. It would be great if I could send the logs to myself without using the cloud. I'm not a cloud enthusiast.

Question: Which of the newer Windows tablets supports the adapter that connects via USB? If anyone has any experience with this...

Best regards, Styrian.

Hello.

The rear door trim can usually be removed very easily.

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Question: Which of the newer Windows tablets supports the adapter that connects via USB? If there are any experiences with this...

The product description says:

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System Requirements: VCDS should be installed on a computer with a minimum of 500 MHz Pentium processor and a minimum of Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, or 10, and a USB interface.

Best regards, Rainer.

Hi Rainer,

The basic requirements for VCDS are clear, but here the focus is mainly on the USB power supply (USB2GO). Some manufacturers sometimes only implement this as a charging port, not in a way that allows you to connect other devices (USB stick, VCDS adapter). I once had something like this with a cheap Chili Green tablet. Later, I understood why it was so inexpensive.

Best regards, Styrian.

Hello!

Have you ever thought about something like that? That's usually the first thing people check.

Hi Steffen G.: I haven't even damaged the protective sleeve yet. And that's how it should stay for now. If no signals are reaching the motor, I can always rip the sleeve out.

BTW: What model is this photo of? It seems to be missing the rear window defroster and the third brake light, right???

Best regards, Styrian.

Hi!
This is from my Golf 4.
On the left side, inside the connector, there were significantly more cables, and many of them were broken or had their insulation peeling off. There were also short circuits between the cables. It was a real mess of cables.
I don't have a picture of the left side, otherwise I would have posted it.


Just loosen one end of the connector, push the wires together, and take a look at the cables. You can easily reinsert them if needed.
I'm not sure about the Golf 5, but it will probably be similar.

It's actually a well-known problem. When I worked there 25 years ago, I almost exclusively repaired Volkswagen Golfs (specifically the Mk2 model), and this was a very common issue. We would sometimes try to fix it temporarily, but the next time, we would usually replace the entire wiring harness.

...if it were really that easy, I would do it right away. The switch might be sparking, because I hear a relay clicking when I operate the rear switch. It's also possible that the relay is faulty.

Anyway, thank you, Steffen G.

Best regards, Styrian.

..namely, the solution: It was indeed the wiring harness, specifically the left one. After finally finding the time and opportunity, and the weather being suitable, I removed the grommet and was quite dismayed. All the cables (except for a few thin ones) showed damage, and one was torn. I would say the insulation is of poor quality. Considering the trunk isn't opened and closed every day, I find that quite strange. I've temporarily fixed it for now and will see where I can get a replacement wiring harness, or where the connectors are located so I can potentially assemble one myself. Attached is a photo of the "horror show."

Best regards, Styrian.