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Post21-07-2004, 12:07    Subject: Error Logging: When Does It Happen? Quote

I couldn't find anything during my search... sorry!
I had previously reported about my problem with the WFS in another post.
To reproduce the error, I 'start' the engine – and here I must point out – there is NO starter motor installed!

Does the error code '17978' appear even if I attempt to start the engine as described above, or does the engine need to actually turn over for the error to be triggered?


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Post21-07-2004, 13:32    Subject: Error Logging: When Does It Happen? Quote

I cannot answer your question precisely.

However, it could naturally happen that you then get a different error, something like "starter motor not turning" icon_confused.gif.

When the WFS (presumably a fuel management system) locks, the engine starts normally, runs for 1-2 seconds, and then shuts off again.

And exactly that scenario cannot be produced by the WFS if you don't have a starter motor!!

What's so bad about starting [something]?

Okay, please provide the German text you would like me to translate into English. I will only provide the translation.
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Post21-07-2004, 14:21    Subject: Error Logging: When Does It Happen? Quote

Umm... the starter motor seems a bit dizzy.


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Post21-07-2004, 14:31    Subject: Error Logging: When Does It Happen? Quote

Hi,
The data exchange between the WFS (likely referring to a specific system or component) and the engine control unit (ECU) occurs as soon as the ECU...
is supplied. The latter then stimulates the K-line (which can be easily observed when...).
a diagnostic interface with LEDs for the K-line is connected.
Does the error message appear only after the control unit has received a speed signal?
or immediately, which I haven't investigated yet.
You can easily determine this with a VAG-COM device: Delete the error codes, turn off the ignition, turn the ignition back on (without starting the engine), and then read the fault memory.

BUT... what do you hope to achieve with it?

Best regards, Rudi.


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Post21-07-2004, 15:07    Subject: Error Logging: When Does It Happen? Quote

He probably promises himself that he will be able to perform thousands of tests with various WFS bypass mechanisms icon_twisted.gif, without needing a new starter afterwards.

@ Rudi

You can make PAMPERSBOMBER using original VW letters!!! But it costs about 74 EUR - I've already calculated it. icon_lol.gif
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Post21-07-2004, 17:17    Subject: Error Logging: When Does It Happen? Quote

Yep - exactly!
I just tried the 'ignition on/off -> read out' method, and it worked. So, it seems like the engine control unit (ECU) doesn't need the starter motor to function.


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Post21-07-2004, 17:24    Subject: Error Logging: When Does It Happen? Quote

@ wurbel:

Okay, have fun. I'm curious to see when you give up; otherwise, you should probably start thinking about...
Get an SO8 clip icon_cool.gif.

@ Martin:

The idea isn't bad, but since there's nothing on my carrot and even the VW logos...
If they are black, I will probably have to do without them icon_wink.gif.

Best regards, Rudi.


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Post21-07-2004, 21:27    Subject: Error Logging: When Does It Happen? Quote

'Well, I'll probably have to visit a local independent workshop sometime next month. They both have VAG certifications, and it's not as far away as the official VAG dealership, in case the van needs to be towed.'
Just chatting with the guys...


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