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Is the "Source Mass" the same as the "Busbar Mass"?

 
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Post29-03-2005, 12:49    Subject: Is the "Source Mass" the same as the "Busbar Mass"? Quote

Hello,
I have a serious problem: 5 error messages.

Saugpipe Temperature: Open or Short Circuit to B+
Diesel Temperature: Open or Short to B+
Coolant Temperature: Open or Short Circuit after B+
Gas pedal sender: Implausible signal
Brake Light Switch Monitoring
Motor has an increased idle speed of approximately 1200 RPM.

The Gaspoti, however, dutifully displays its 0-100% reading. Saugpipe temperature shows approximately icon_smile_thumb_up.gif8 degrees, while diesel and water temperatures are around minus 6 degrees. (This is clearly incorrect!)
If I press the brake and clutch simultaneously, all three sensors show values below -20 degrees.
As far as I can understand, the three sensors (gas pedal, clutch, and brake), along with other components, are all connected to the same power source, pin 33, of the ECU.
Should the potential not be identical to battery-negative? Because I can only explain it with a ground fault. And between the power supply mass and the battery negative terminal, my multimeter measured approximately 10 MOhm.
I have successfully measured continuity between the individual donors and switches, but not yet to the STG.
Gruß Schneemann


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Post29-03-2005, 14:24    Subject: Is the "Source Mass" the same as the "Busbar Mass"? Translating...

[Translating...]Hallo,
bei 'älteren' Fahrzeugen verrostet schon mal ein Masseanschluß und wird 'hochohmig'.
Lege doch mal testweise eine getrennte Masse von den Temperaturgebern zur Batteriemasse.
Der Fehler sollte dann weg sein.
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Post29-03-2005, 20:01    Subject: Re: Ground Mass equal to Busbar Mass? Quote

Should this not be identical to 'battery-negative'?

It should. However, the sensor and actuator masses are separated on the control side. On the sensor side, it is important to achieve a star-shaped mass distribution as much as possible (to avoid vortex shedding).
The actor side is usually equipped with power drivers that must be as well isolated as possible from the rest (also due to partially switched power supplies for, for example PD), therefore separate mass control.

Check your wiring harness for damage and ALL (plug) connections for corrosion.

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Post30-03-2005, 15:12    Subject: Is the "Source Mass" the same as the "Busbar Mass"? Translating...

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So, da bin ich wieder. Das geht ja an die Nerven, Leute.
Ich hab von jedem Geber bzw. Schalter an dieser Massestrippe 100% Durchgang zu jedem anderen und auch zum Pin 33 am Steuergerät. Ich schätze da hat sich ne Leiterbahn oder so verabschiedet. Ich hatte noch keine Lust, das Ding zu öffnen und nachzuforschen. Ich hab mal aus Spaß am LMM-Stecker die Adern braun und braun-blau ein Stück abisoliert und zusammengelötet und alles ist wieder gut.
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Post30-03-2005, 15:22    Subject: Is the "Source Mass" the same as the "Busbar Mass"? Translating...

[Translating...]Hallo Schneemann,
da ist wohl eine der beiden Masseleitungen unterbrochen ( im Steuergerät) und die andere 'übernimmt' nun.
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Post30-03-2005, 17:58    Subject: Is the "Source Mass" the same as the "Busbar Mass"? Translating...

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Schneemann wrote:
Ich hab mal aus Spaß am LMM-Stecker die Adern braun und braun-blau ein Stück abisoliert und zusammengelötet und alles ist wieder gut.

Na ja, optimal ist das aber nicht (siehe rinderwahnsinn's Hinweise zur normalen Masseführung).

Wenn es im Motorcomputer tatsächlich eine Massebahn gegrillt hat, dann auch nicht ohne Grund. Ich würde da jedenfalls weiter nachpopeln . . .
Gruß Ulf
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