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Post13-07-2008, 20:41    Subject: Needle Valve Check: Disassembled Condition Quote

Hello everyone!

I would like to know if it is possible to test a new hydraulic generator (NHG) even when it is already assembled. I am familiar with the "tapping test" that is useful when the generator is installed, but it doesn't help much when the unit is on the workbench.

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Post13-07-2008, 21:57    Subject: Needle Valve Check: Disassembled Condition Quote

Hi,

It's impossible to reliably test the NHG unless you drive around in a car. The device might work perfectly for an hour, and then suddenly stop functioning for a few seconds.
Checking the engine control unit's fault memory is the most effective way to diagnose the problem.

Edit: Technical article about the needle advance mechanism, https://community.dieselschrauber.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=26339

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Post14-07-2008, 15:58    Subject: Needle Valve Check: Disassembled Condition Quote

That's a shame... I guess I'll have to figure out the installation and testing myself. Thanks for the reply!


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Post15-07-2008, 9:22    Subject: Needle Valve Check: Disassembled Condition Quote

schimme wrote:
That's a shame... then I'll probably have to find a way to install it and try it out. Thanks for the answer!


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How about connecting the NHG to the cable, turning on the ignition, and logging into the engine control unit?
This should be sufficient as a preliminary test.


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Post15-07-2008, 14:18    Subject: Needle Valve Check: Disassembled Condition Quote

However, a resistance test can also be performed in a simpler way icon_wink.gif.
"Furthermore, I believe that NHGs are more likely to fail due to mechanical problems than electrical ones."
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Post15-07-2008, 14:35    Subject: Needle Valve Check: Disassembled Condition Quote

I performed a resistance test on my faulty NHG (fused disconnect switch) – the error code indicated a short circuit after the positive terminal – but I couldn't detect any difference.
What does a mechanical failure look like in a new car?


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Post16-07-2008, 10:40    Subject: Needle Valve Check: Disassembled Condition Quote

Something might be stuck or broken... This is roughly what the inside looks like.

...or it could simply be an exposed (uninsulated) section of the cable.



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Post23-07-2008, 7:40    Subject: Needle Valve Check: Disassembled Condition Quote

I have a question about that too.
Does the NTC resistor provide a resistance signal, or is it positive or negative?
I'm asking because I just installed a new one myself.
The Aber of the new generation had a different plug adapter, costing 80 euros.
I quickly modified the plug.
Now, I've mixed up the cable connections on my old device, and I'm not sure which cable goes where.
Is there a way to measure that?
The connector indicates +/- for the cables, but unfortunately, both cables are white with no markings.
I would like to keep it as a spare part, as the injector nozzle was still okay after the pressure test.
Oh, I swapped them out because two of the nozzles were damaged.
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Post16-01-2018, 22:38    Subject: Needle Valve Check: Disassembled Condition Quote

Okay, I'll dig that thing out. I unfortunately have the NHG without the connector housing, and I really don't want to connect it with the wrong polarity. icon_smile_thumb_up.gif


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Post17-01-2018, 10:36    Subject: Needle Valve Check: Disassembled Condition Quote

How will you distinguish between the two wires?
Both of them are, in fact, the leads of the same coil.
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Post17-01-2018, 10:49    Subject: Needle Valve Check: Disassembled Condition Quote

Since it's white, there's nothing visible. Therefore, it seems like it doesn't matter.


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Post17-01-2018, 11:41    Subject: Needle Valve Check: Disassembled Condition Quote

marson wrote:
Since they are white, there is absolutely none.
Therefore, it seems that it doesn't matter? }
It shouldn't really matter, but the effort required for a test drive to try it out is manageable, as there are only two possible options.

Testing without a car requires an oscilloscope, a power supply, and a clamping device, which probably wouldn't be worth the effort.


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