Lupo 1.4 TDI: Long 5th Gear Ratio

Hello everyone


I'm currently considering whether I should do something about the high fuel prices and buy a Lupo 1.4 TDI to go with my Allroad 2.5 TDi.
I know that this is a little bit schizo .
But I sometimes drive long distances alone, and in those cases, I don't always need a constant 2 cubic meters of storage space and a 1.9-ton curb weight . Besides, it's also quite good in the city.
With my chipped Audi A3, I had very good experiences related to the long 5th gear and chip tuning.
Now, I'd like to plan ahead a bit and wonder if this will also work with the Lupo 1.4 TDi with engine code AMF.
My logic says yes.
The Gertiebe should be: EBG ESP and EXB. For the latter, the translation of the 5th gear would be 34:45, which is 0.755.
I was thinking of a translation in the range of 0.67.
The 3L is supposed to have an extremely long gear ratio, and with a chip, it should be able to reach 205 km/h according to the speedometer (thanks to its aerodynamics).

What do you think about it?

If you're driving long distances alone, and possibly at a fast speed, then my rule is:
"The shorter the car, the faster you'll die."
Also in the city: under the Polo 9N - hopefully no accidents...
The transition is likely to be significant.
You can also drive the Polo with a fuel consumption of 4.5 to 6.5 liters.

Absolutely avoid the ESP transmission! Almost all of them fail between 110,000 and 140,000 kilometers. If you must choose one, go for the EXB. It seems to be more durable and was originally paired with the AMF engine in the A2.

teileklaus wrote:

If you drive long distances alone, and possibly quickly, then for me, the rule is: "The shorter the car, the faster you'll die." Also in the city: under the Polo 9N - hopefully no accidents... The transition is likely to be significant. Do you also drive the Polo with 4.5 to 6.5 liters

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Thank you for the tip! I'm going to buy a tank now .
Meinen A3 bin ich mit 4.5-6,5 Litern gefahren und das z.T. Sporty.
For the Lupo, the range should be between 3.5 and 5.
And the advantage I get in a crash with an A6 only applies if I crash into a smaller car.
I drove an 80,000 km in a Toyota Starlet EP70, model year 1986, weighing 700 kg and with only 50 horsepower, and it didn't have an airbag, and I survived.
And even a Mercedes-Benz S-Class couldn't help Lady Di.
Und jetzt bitte zum Thema langer 5. Gear shift for the Lupo.

@Brezelmann: Is that ESP the semi-automatic transmission from the 3L model, or is it a standard manual transmission?
Do you know if these transmissions are built the same way as the ones for the 1.9 models, meaning, is the 5th gear as easy to replace?

@Lupo: The human will is their kingdom. I know this from my experience in the emergency services...

The ESP was the standard manual transmission and was mostly used. I believe the EXB transmission wasn't used until much later.
Achieving a fuel consumption of under 4.3 liters per 100 kilometers with the Lupo under "normal" driving conditions is likely only possible on country roads with a constant speed of 70 or 100 kilometers per hour. Achieving a consumption in the 3-liter range is therefore unlikely!
Unfortunately, I can't provide any information about assembly or replacement.



EDIT: I made a mistake with the license plate letters; I've corrected it now! Sorry.

Hello,
I'm riding an A2 motorcycle with an AMF exhaust and a GKB EWQ exhaust system.
and I had a long 5 installed in Dortmund with a value of 0.64583333333333....
Costs approximately 320,- in exchange; check wewewe.automatigetriebe.dee.

Highly recommended; some people in the A2 forum have tried it.
The A2 engine has a redline of 180, which limits its RPM to 3500.
and it's very quiet.
'You can easily achieve a consumption of less than 5 liters per 100 kilometers; my average is around 4.5 liters per 100 kilometers with an annual mileage of 50,000 kilometers.'
Extreme fuel efficiency of less than 4 liters per 100 kilometers is possible.

Been using it for 2 years and no problems.

Thomas.

Tagessuppe wrote:

Und jetzt bitte zum Thema langer 5. Gear shift for the Lupo. Do you know if these transmissions are built the same way as the ones for the 1.9 models, meaning if the 5th gear is just as easy to replace?

The 1.4 TDIs have a 02J transmission, so the 5th gear can be replaced just as easily as in an A3.

The 1.2 TDI engine was combined with the 085 gearbox because it doesn't have to transmit as much torque (maximum 140 Nm). However, the 5th gear can be easily swapped out there, as the design is similar to the 02J. Instead of a metal cover, they have a cover made of aluminum screwed on.
When combined with the 1.2 TDI engine, the transmission underwent changes beyond just the automation. These included a hollowed-out drive and output shaft, a reduction of 0.2 liters in oil capacity, openings in the bell housing, the 5th gear designed as a spoked wheel, and weight reduction in the remaining gears achieved through recesses in the side plates.

Best regards, Germa.

Yes, an A2 TDI is quite something. It's a much bigger car than a Lupo.
But 320 for the 5th gear? I paid 195 for my 0.63.
without return of old parts.
Well, but all things considered, I'm still strongly considering whether it's really worth it.
Having something like that as a second car. I mean, if I only drive in the city...
"My Allroad's fuel consumption of 15 liters per 100 kilometers doesn't bother me too much, because I can drive for a whole month on a single tank."
But if I drive from Vienna to Carinthia and back on the weekend, the gas tank will be empty in 3 days.
But that's exactly what makes driving the Allroad so much fun .

Do I notice a change in sensation there?

teileklaus wrote:

Do I notice a change in my senses?

Let's call it enlightenment .

Naughty question: does it have to be an Allroad ?
15 liters in the city .
"My T4 van doesn't even need that."

teileklaus wrote:

Naughty question: does it have to be an Allroad ? 15 liters in the city . That doesn't even need my T4 van

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The Lupo is too small and feels too unsafe for you.
The Allroad consumes too much fuel.
Which car should I buy now to meet your expectations?

A car is always a compromise.
Ideally, everyone would have five cars: a Smart for the city, an A8 for the highway, a Mercedes G for off-road driving, a VW bus for moving, and a Ferrari for when you're in a hurry.
And an Allroad best fulfills my needs, except for the fact that it doesn't have a low fuel consumption .

"Yes, people always want to have everything. A small one for everyday use and a larger one for comfortable travel. A bus for the refrigerator, the eight complete wheels, the "Meschpoke" (presumably a specific item or equipment)..."
You shouldn't buy it based on my opinion. And you won't, if you already have an Allroad.
But you just said that 15 liters is a lot for city driving, and I agree with you.

Given this, it seems logical for me to consider a Touran or Passat, which, admittedly with slightly less comfort, can still be quite fun to drive quickly and can even achieve fuel consumption of around 6 liters per 100 km if desired.
In my (and Ulf's) opinion, less is more. But less than a Polo? No way.
And I'm selling the T4 (it consumes 9-11 liters). That's my solution.

Edit: Did Ö (Austria) ever offer a seasonal license plate system where you could use a 4x4 vehicle in the winter and a regular car in the summer, all covered by a single insurance policy?

The Lupo 1.4 TDI has an extremely long wheelbase for its size (comparable to a Polo 6N), and it handles accordingly confidently at higher speeds. You can definitely feel the front-heavy weight when braking, but even alone, it's still well-controlled during emergency braking.
If you frequently drive long distances on the highway alone, it's important to have tires with good tread in the rear, otherwise they are prone to aquaplaning, which can be dangerous, especially if the road has a slight slope. However, it's significantly less problematic than with the 3L model, as the rear has a steel tailgate and a full-size spare tire.
I would only install a chip for the long 5th gear. Otherwise, it might struggle quite a bit going uphill, possibly starting around 160 km/h.
I once considered making it easier to modify, and I have a chip for that. But I ended up not doing it. If the transmission is going to fail anyway, I might just do it for fun (I have an ESP system, and the synchronization on the 3rd gear has been worn out for 50,000 km).
I'm afraid that the express lane might not be worth it, and I might not need the fifth stop in the city anymore.

Regards,

Olaf.

I did it...
5th gear with a ratio of 0.70 instead of the standard 0.75555555...
Other available gear ratios:
(2. value = X% longer, 3. value = Higher speed compared to Tempo 180 in series mode at the same RPM...)
0.717 5.4
0.7, 7.94, 14 km/h
0.681 10.1 18
0.658 14.8 21.7
0.621

0.7 corresponds to the standard gear ratio for the 1.4 TDI A2 with 90 horsepower.
For me, this is the best compromise, as the car won't become a dune buggy, and the shift to 4th gear is still suitable for country roads. Nevertheless, the engine speed noticeably decreases on the highway. Also, the longer gears probably won't significantly increase the top speed without a tailwind, etc., because the engine will eventually run out of power.
Most other people with A2 75 HP AMF engines who have switched to a different exhaust system use a 0.68 exhaust or longer and seem to be happy with it. However, I honestly can't imagine that a 0.658 exhaust would be fun in the long run... You really have to prioritize the sound and the (minimal) fuel savings above everything else.