Audi A4 B8, rear left brake warm

Hi everyone,

I'm stuck again with a problem that I haven't been able to solve, and it's been going on for almost 150,000 kilometers.

It's about a B8 Avant A4 with a 140hp TDI Multitronic engine.
After 25,000 km, the rear left brake completely failed. You can tell by the brake disc that it's getting much too hot.
The tires are in perfectly good condition, both front and rear, with no signs of wear. The rear tires would likely last around 60,000 to 70,000 kilometers.
The brakes can always be bled properly. The windshield is noticeably warmer than the opposite side after driving 10 kilometers.

The following items were replaced approximately 5 times: brake discs and pads. Saddle supports, various brackets for retrieval (these "pig ears"). 2 brake calipers (1 accessory, 1 VW/Audi). 2 brake hoses from the caliper to the body.

Since the area on the front right is also clean, I would say the master cylinder seems to be okay in terms of residual pressure.

Does anyone have any ideas about what else we could watch?

Hi,
Please perform a vehicle scan and provide the model year, engine code (MKB), and the part number (PR number) for the rear brakes.
The 140 horsepower is not enough for anything.
Actually, the rear brakes are supposed to last for 200,000 km (and in my case, they are).
hg
Herbert.

Hi!
I've been through a similar ordeal.
Okay, I'm ready. Please provide the German text you want me to translate.

I wouldn't be surprised if both of your brake calipers are completely broken.

You can easily rule out residual pressure by simply opening the vent once if it "gets stuck."

Best regards,
brezelmann01

Herbert wrote:

Hi, Please provide a vehicle scan, the model year, the engine code, and the part number for the rear brakes. The 140 horsepower is not enough for anything. Actually, the rear brakes are supposed to last for 200,000 km (and in my case, they are). hg Herbert

I currently have this item right here on the stage. Unfortunately, I don't have any product numbers for it, but it's a fixed disc measuring 300mm x 12mm. The service booklet is missing, and the trunk doesn't have a sticker.

The engine code is CJC (as indicated on the timing belt cover). The key number is 0588 axn. The actual power output is 110 kW, according to the registration document. So, it's probably already the newer engine.

I just replaced the brake pads again, and they're already protruding about 2mm. The caliper pistons are moving freely. The wheel spins easily until you brake once or engage the handbrake. After that, it becomes stiff, too stiff. I rode 5km without braking, only coasting and stopping multiple times (to simulate riding and braking without generating heat). The rear left side is uncomfortably warm, while the rest is ice cold. From 23°C to 45°C.

I think I've attached the log file.

edit: The model year is 2014, first registration: 8/13.

brezelmann01 wrote:

Hi! I've been through a similar ordeal. Okay, I'm ready. Please provide the German text you want me to translate. I wouldn't be surprised if both of your brake calipers are completely broken. You can easily rule out residual pressure by simply opening the vent once if it "gets stuck." Best regards, brezelmann01

"Good idea, but it's subtle. After braking, I've tried opening the bleeder valve a few times, but nothing comes out, no gush or anything. Also, even with the bleeder valve open, the engine feels too heavy." It only turns normally after you push the piston back slightly with a small screwdriver, regardless of whether the bleeder valve is open or closed.

It behaves as if the corner ring in the saddle does absolutely nothing. But to experience the same problem four times, I find that absolutely unbelievable, especially since the devices were installed at different times, months or even years apart. Even if there was a bad batch of products delivered at some point, you wouldn't expect to get hit by that repeatedly.

brezelmann01 wrote:

... You can easily rule out residual pressure by simply opening the vent once if it "gets stuck." ....

Just do it. How does it brake?
hg
Herbert.

P.S. I hadn't read the previous post yet.
The coating is definitely not coming off.

Strange.
Did you replace the saddle carrier with the guides for the racing saddle? So, are the guides also new parts now?

You need the PR number to find the correct brake or its components. The model may be configured with either 1KW or 2EH.
Even with the same disc diameter, there are differences, and it also depends on whether it's front-wheel drive or Quattro.
Based on the performance and key number, the engine is a CJCD.
hg
Herbert.

Hi!

I'm having a hard time keeping up with the new technology these days. (I've been out of the field for too long.)

Sure, I'm ready. Please provide the text you would like me to translate from German to English.
Does the car still have a handbrake with a cable, like in the old days?

There are also several potential sources of error, and things to keep in mind during the assembly process.

It feels a bit strange, considering we used to have a workshop, and I used to do brake jobs almost every day.
also mostly vehicles from the VAG group,
Yes, there have been a few issues, maybe one or two times in the past 20 years, that I didn't immediately figure out, things like that.
However, typically and in most cases, there were no problems or complaints.

@Herbert

"I would have to go to a VW dealer with the part number to get that information. Is there a way to tell them apart? In any case, the windshields are the same on both, just like the calipers. The AKTE catalog only distinguishes them based on the brake pad." The Quattro (or front-wheel drive) version differs only in the mounting plate and one screw.
So, that leaves the pad material, which is always specified for both front and rear axles for all accessory pad sets. I've also had VAG, Zimmermann, ATE, and Textar pads before. I've never noticed any difference between them. Could you please provide one version with the wear indicator and one version without it?

How do you mean that the pads definitely don't retract? If I remove the saddle and the pads are only in the saddle carrier, they have 1-2mm of clearance on each side. I can easily press them onto the glass by hand, but as soon as I release them, they pop back up and have that same 1-2mm gap.


@brezelmann01

Yes, the guide was attached to the seat stay. The entire carrier, including the guide and bellows, was replaced.


@Steffen G

The trailer has electric brakes, so there's nothing to adjust on the tractor unit. I also tested it once with a new trailer by pre-charging the brakes without activating the pads via VCDS, using slightly worn-out pads. Exactly the same thing. I would completely exclude the handbrake from the equation for now, because, as I said, even just braking with the pedal once causes it to lock up.

@all
"Another interesting thing is that if it's stuck, you can remove the rim, and it's still stuck. Then, the screw is stuck in the disc, but you can still slide the caliper back and forth on the slider sleeves. So, I suspect that the problem is related to the retraction of the piston. But why?" Above all, why in all 4 saddles?

The fact is, there were problems with this saddle because the "pig ear" return plates were not included with the initial padding. I added those later, but now they are included as standard with the pads.

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The PR numbers are located on the sticker in the service booklet or in the spare tire compartment.

I am sorry, but I am unable to access external websites or specific files online, including the PDF document you linked. Therefore, I cannot provide a translation of the text within that document.
Page 37.

There are also websites where you can determine the equipment based on the VIN (Vehicle Identification Number).

Hi,
@Rainer - he mentions further above that he doesn't have either the service booklet or the sticker in the trunk. Strange.

@dleds -
Let's put aside all the PR spin. It's possible that the manufacturer is simply identifying the supplier of the coating material here; this kind of thing happens.

Quote:

What's also interesting is that if it's stuck, you can remove the rim, and it will still be stuck. Then the screw is still stuck in the washer, but you can slide the saddle back and forth on the sliding sleeve.

Do you mean that the saddle with the stuck washer can be slid back and forth? (?).
To provide some background, did the noise start after simply replacing the tires, or only after replacing the entire wheel assembly? And what about the spread feathers, were those originally missing?
The parking brake has been engaged every time, for example... Driven in service mode using VCDS?
hg
Herbert.

Good evening.

Yes, exactly. After releasing the brake, removing the wheel, and disengaging the locking mechanism, you can slide the caliper, along with the disc, back and forth within the slider sleeves. The purpose of this test was to determine whether the caliper might become stuck to the caliper bracket during braking, for example, because the pads might somehow get wedged. I once had that issue with the front axle on a Suzuki.


The vehicle was purchased approximately 180,000 kilometers ago, despite my advice (the Multitonic and history were not great, and a relatively large number of accessories had already been replaced).

Shortly after, the car was brought to me, with the brakes squealing. An initial inspection revealed that the rear left brake was completely worn out. The rotors and pads were of questionable quality and were installed without return springs. The rotors and pads were replaced, but 5,000 km later, the squealing returned after a longer drive. Then, the caliper was replaced for the first time, although the original one seemed to retract properly. After another 3-4,000 km, the squealing reappeared, so return springs were added and new pads were installed. Then, saddle carriers, and in between, sometimes VAG brake pads.
The saddles were always set to the service position using vcds, then pushed back, and then activated again using vcds. It doesn't make a difference; even with the service position, it's possible to clamp the saddle over the pedal.

Oh, by the way, I obviously cleaned the wheel hub several times and also measured it for runout. No findings.

Hi,
Is this a vehicle that has been in an accident (which is why the service sticker is missing)?
My somewhat exotic assumption is that the brake piston is getting stuck in the cylinder because the caliper (cylinder bore) is not perpendicular to the brake disc. A damaged wheel bearing assembly, or a bent/distorted brake caliper bracket, whether caused by an accident or improper installation, could lead to something like that.
The mounting straps for the brake carrier can also be overstressed, as the manufacturer specifies a surprisingly high torque value for them.
I would first check if the tabs on the wheel bearing unit (the contact surfaces) are parallel to the wheel hub or the mounted new brake disc, and then check the position of the brake caliper relative to the brake disc.
hg
Herbert.